A Friend, a Threat of Hell, and an Argument He Still Hasn't Answered

Alan Marley • October 11, 2026
A Friend, a Threat of Hell, and an Argument He Still Hasn't Answered — Alan Marley
Religion & Philosophy

A Friend, a Threat of Hell, and an Argument He Still Hasn't Answered

What happens when you ask a believer to defend his claim, and he answers with your job title, your funeral, and your eternity instead.

A piece I wrote recently argued a simple point: nobody has established that their God exists, that He cares what consenting adults do in their bedroom, or that anyone speaking in His name has authority over someone else's private life. A longtime friend read it and wrote back. He did not address the argument. He addressed me.

He called me a roofer, as though that settles a philosophical question. He accused me of allying with communists and Islamists to destroy the Judeo-Christian foundation of the country. He told me that when I die, worms will devour my flesh while my soul burns in hell, and that God's kingdom will go on flourishing regardless. He signed off, "Good day to you Sir."

I want to walk through my actual reply, point by point, because the pattern in his letter is not unique to him. It is the default move available to anyone who has run out of argument and still needs to win the conversation. When you cannot answer the question, you change the subject to the person asking it.

"GOD HAS PUT ETERNITY IN THE HEARTS OF MEN. Religion is as old as mankind himself... And what, you, the roofer, with a PHD in business... are going to be the one who dislodges that from the hearts of men and end religion?"

Credentials Are Not an Argument

He mentioned my occupation more than once, as though building things for a living disqualifies a person from examining religious claims. It does not. My reply was direct: neither does my doctorate make my argument correct. The argument stands or falls on its reasoning, and reasoning is the one thing his letter never actually supplied. A roofer who reasons carefully has made a better case than a theologian who does not. Pointing at someone's job title is not a rebuttal. It is a way of avoiding the need to produce one.

I Never Said I Wanted to End Religion

He wrote as though I had declared war on Christianity itself. I never did. I said, in the piece he was responding to, that his faith remains entirely his to practice. He is answering an argument I did not make. What I actually challenged is narrower and considerably harder to wave away: the claim that his religious convictions grant him authority over somebody else's private life. He is free to worship exactly as he chooses. That freedom does not obligate me, or anyone else, to worship alongside him, and it never has.

Longevity Is Not Truth

His strongest card was supposed to be history. Every culture, every tribe, every people group, he said, has believed in the supernatural and an afterlife. I will grant the premise. It still proves nothing he needs it to prove. Universal belief establishes the prevalence of belief, not the truth of any particular claim behind it. Religions make mutually incompatible claims about the nature of God, salvation and the afterlife. Their widespread, ancient existence cannot make all of those contradictory claims true at once, and it cannot make his claim uniquely correct either. Christianity outlasting its critics would demonstrate endurance. Endurance is not evidence.

An old belief, repeated by more people across more centuries, is still just a belief repeated more often. Repetition is not proof. It never has been, in any other context he would accept that standard for.

Quoting Scripture Does Not Establish What Scripture Claims

He leaned on Ecclesiastes, that God has put eternity in the hearts of men, as though the verse itself settled the matter. It does not. That is another statement of the very belief under question. You cannot establish God's existence by quoting a passage that already assumes God exists and wrote the verse. A human longing for an afterlife is evidence of a longing. It is not evidence that the thing longed for is actually waiting on the other side. To date, not one soul independent of religious belief has verified anything about heaven or hell, and not one specifically supernatural claim, from any tradition, has been independently confirmed. Not a single one. Wanting something to be true, however deeply and universally, has never once made it true.

Guilt by Association Is Not Evidence of Anything

He accused me of allying myself with communists and Islamists working to destroy the country's Judeo-Christian foundation. He offered no evidence for that alliance because none exists. Disagreeing with one man's theology does not enlist anyone in somebody else's movement. The principle in my original piece applies equally no matter who is making the claim: Christian, Muslim or otherwise. Nobody gets to substitute an assertion of divine approval for an actual argument, and that standard does not bend depending on whose scripture is doing the asserting.

Patriotism Does Not Require My Theology, and the Constitution Agrees With Me

He questioned my patriotism and proposed, not for the first time, that the country return to its Christian roots. Here is where the conversation stopped being about two old friends disagreeing and started revealing something worth saying out loud in public. I do not measure my own patriotism by my willingness to accept his theology. I support his freedom to practice Christianity exactly as fully as I support my own freedom to question it. Whatever influence Christianity has had on this country's history, and it has had plenty, that influence does not establish ownership of the country or of any other citizen's conscience.

"Returning to our Christian roots" is the polite version of a less polite proposal: that the rest of us, and the rest of the world, should live under his interpretation of his own two-thousand-year-old text, whether we ever agreed to it or not. Saying that plainly is not an attack on religion. It is an accurate description of what fundamentalism actually asks for once it stops staying inside the church and starts reaching for the state.

My freedom does not depend on his religious approval, and his does not depend on mine. It is exactly as much my right to disagree with his beliefs, and to ignore them, as it is his right to hold them. The Constitution does not pick a side in that argument. It just makes sure neither of us can force the other one to lose it.

A Threat of Hell Is Not an Argument Either

He closed by telling me I will die, that worms will devour my flesh, and that my soul will burn while his God's kingdom continues to flourish. Yes, I will die. So will he. Neither fact establishes which of us is right about anything that happens afterward. Describing my corpse and my damnation in vivid detail adds hostility to his reply. It does not add a shred of evidence. He is once again asking me to simply accept the very claims he has never established in the first place, dressed up this time as a threat instead of a verse. I grew up inside the same fire-and-brimstone preaching that produced that reflex in him. I know exactly what it is supposed to do to a person, and I know exactly why it stopped working on me.

Why This Matters

This exchange is not really about one friend losing his temper over one article. It is a clean example of a tactic that shows up constantly whenever someone's religious authority gets questioned in public: when the argument runs out, attack the credentials, the character, the loyalty, or the afterlife of the person asking the question. None of that is persuasion. It is intimidation wearing persuasion's clothes, and it works on exactly the people who can be made to feel ashamed of having asked in the first place.

If my writing accomplishes anything, I hope it is this: it encourages people to keep asking the question anyway, without being talked out of it by someone else's job-title insult, guilt-by-association smear, or graveside prediction. My friend remains entirely free to believe that his God governs my bedroom, my country and my eternity. He has still not established that his belief grants him, or anyone speaking in that God's name, any actual authority over mine.

That was the point of the original article. He still has not answered it. Neither has anyone else who has tried this particular move on me since.

Disclaimer: This piece recounts a real private exchange with a longtime friend, lightly edited for length and with identifying details removed out of respect for his privacy. It is presented as commentary on a broader pattern in religious and political argument, not as an attack on him personally or on any individual's right to hold or practice his or her faith. The views expressed are the personal opinions of the author for commentary and public discourse purposes only. Religious commentary is protected opinion under the First Amendment.